ANNOUNCEMENT Elite Dangerous: Odyssey Announcement

[aRJay]

You're putting words in my mouth, I don't think FD hate VR users or that they don't want their money.

FD have clarified their position, they have stated "no VR at launch", they have also NOT stated, "we commit to VR after launch".
ergo, the current factual situation is that FD are not supporting VR in Elite from Odyssey forward.
'Hoping' that will change is not supported by their current statements. Even giving the benefit of the doubt FD have used the "not at launch" term before with no follow up.

We're broadly agreeing you know, but for VR users the time to speak up is now.

No the current factual situation is that FDev are currently not supporting VR in Odyssey when it launches many months from now.

Past performance is not proof of things happening the same way in the future.

I do agree that now is a good time for VR users to speak out.

 

[LoyalOrange503]

Hi Alec,

We’re still reading everything, rest assured!

We don’t have any more details at the moment on how that split would work yet, however we’ve heard the questions and the feedback. We’ll be sharing more information closer to release.

To reiterate (it’s a long thread, things easily get lost!) you will still be able to play the base game and Horizons with VR, that isn’t changing.

Cheers,

Tim

okay, so you guys can't answer any more questions. could you confirm that the community managers or people in the dev team know of the worries we, the communtiy, have regarding ship and station interiors? i don't need an answer or a statement, just want to know wether our concerns have been heard and are at least circulating through the team.

 

[Factabulous]

okay, so you guys can't answer nay more questions. could you confirm that the community managers or people in the dev team know of the worries we, the communtiy have regarding ship and station interiors? i don't need an answer or a statement, just want to know wether our concerns have been heard and are at least circulating through the team.

If you read what you quoted you can see they already answered that...

 

[aRJay]

Most of the uproar has been caused by Frontier stating that they would not support VR AT ALL in Odyssey. Now they are saying 'maybe, but it's better that you assume it isn't there at all', which I personally find patronising.

When did they say no VR at all, all the dev posts I have seen say at launch?

 

[nrage]

Most of the uproar has been caused by Frontier stating that they would not support VR AT ALL in Odyssey.

When did they state this?

The first official statement I saw that addressed VR was this one:

Is Elite Dangerous: Odyssey coming to VR?

Currently, Elite Dangerous: Odyssey will not be VR-compatible at launch. We’re big fans of VR and we are truly proud of the amazing experience that we currently offer in Elite Dangerous. However, the new gameplay, mechanics and features that will be introduced with Elite Dangerous: Odyssey means that we had to re-examine if we could deliver that same experience without compromise, which, for launch, means Odyssey will not be VR-compatible.

 

[CMDR Rusty Dog]

To reiterate (it’s a long thread, things easily get lost!) you will still be able to play the base game and Horizons with VR, that isn’t changing.

IMO, it's high time for Frontier to ditch the base game. Make Horizons the 'base game' and give it to all those who bought the original base game. Then Odyssey becomes the alternative on the Launcher as Horizons is now.

 

[Lunchmoney]

To reiterate (it’s a long thread, things easily get lost!)

Then copy relevant comments to the OP!

 

[LoyalOrange503]

IMO, it's high time for Frontier to ditch the base game. Make Horizons the 'base game' and give it to all those who bought the original base game. Then Odyssey becomes the alternative on the Launcher as Horizons is now.

I'm actually not in favour of this. Make it still optional. I run elite on a xbox one with horizons, works just fine. I also run it on a intergrated graphics card latpop, without horizons. i know it can't run horizons because... well, i mean, come on, planets. so if it will become the base game, suddenly, whenever i'm around planets, i'll get insane fps drops and lag.

I'd say make it a optional 'free' purchase for players, if they so desperately need to make it free. i'm more in favour of a 2-5 pound/dollar pricetag, low for what content it offers, but still optional. player choice is important in my opinion.

 

[CaptainPugwash]

When did they state this?

The first official statement I saw that addressed VR was this one:

The phrase ‘at all’ didn’t mean ‘never’, but not at all in odyssey at release. Now they are saying there may well be a ‘cutoff’ I.e there could be partial support of VR in odyssey.

 

[scholesey]

When did they say no VR at all, all the dev posts I have seen say at launch?

The only commitment FD have made is no VR. VR coming later is 100% speculation. In fact if they binned ED in 5 years "at launch" would still be accurate. If they haven't implemented VR in 20 years time "at launch" is still accurate. "at launch" actually means nothing except no VR. In fact I would go as far as saying good news is something people and companies like to share, when you are pretty much silent that normally suggests the real truth is something people don't want to hear.

 

[CMDR Rusty Dog]

I'm actually not in favour of this. Make it still optional.

Then why did you 'like' my post ?

I run elite on a xbox one with horizons, works just fine. I also run it on a intergrated graphics card latpop, without horizons. i know it can't run horizons because... well, i mean, come on, planets. so if it will become the base game, suddenly, whenever i'm around planets, i'll get insane fps drops and lag.

So, keep the base game because you want to play Elite on a laptop with the integrated graphics? All graphics on a laptop are intergrated. I'm assuming you mean the IntelHD graphics or something like that, right ? Then I'd say get a better laptop.

I'd say make it a optional 'free' purchase for players, if they so desperately need to make it free. i'm more in favour of a 2-5 pound/dollar pricetag, low for what content it offers, but still optional. player choice is important in my opinion.

Not sure how you have a 'free' purchase, but the point was to not have 5 options on the Launcher.

 

[F4fred]

No I am not but I am saying within the context of THIS GAME FORUM then yes ED is what matters and yes relitively on THIS GAME forum ED is important and what is going on in the world is NOT otherwise there is no bloody escape from the crap that is real life. FGS learn to read if you are gonna attack me

I didn't bring real life issues into this game discussion he did!
Btw I have gone through personal tragedy of various flavours (as have most of us) but I didn't go on games forums and tell people games don't matter because bad crap happened to me!.

He was simply asking you to keep a perspective on things, that is what you failed to grasp. I can see where he is coming from given some of the hyperbole on this thread. Video games come and go. I have had many old favourites that are no longer supported or won’t run on current hardware, or I have played and no longer present a challenge. It is going to happen to all of us sooner or later, ED will be gone for whatever reason. When that time comes I will find something else to do and have fond memories of ED.
As for sharing if you are having a tough time in real life I have always found the people I play games with very supportive to those who have had serious real life events and spoken about them to gaming friends.

 

[CMDR Slee Piboi]

We don’t have any more details at the moment

I'm not sure whether you can truly appreciate how scary that sounds to long time members here who have received similar responses in the past -- the occasional "nothing to announce right now" until people just gave up hope and stopped asking. Justified or not, your organization's track record simply ensures that communications such as this will only agitate concern rather than alleviate it. However...

however we’ve heard the questions and the feedback. We’ll be sharing more information closer to release.

...call me an optimist but it almost sounds like you figured something needs to be taken back to the drawing board. If so, good job.

To reiterate (it’s a long thread, things easily get lost!) you will still be able to play the base game and Horizons with VR, that isn’t changing.

That's not helping the current situation at all unless you can also state right now that Horizons can be guaranteed to not become just a stale "last year's model", but instead atmo planets, visual improvements, all the new features unrelated to space legs will find their way to Horizons.

I would find it surprising, though, if that really was any less effort than implementing the current level of VR support into whatever toolchain/codebase Odyssey is built on.

 

[F4fred]

It’s such a good method for dismissing people’s concerns that it even has its own name!

Try looking up “Fallacy of Relative Privation” and then everyone in the entire world can just shut up about their problems because there’s definitely one individual who is worse off than everyone else, and that person doesn’t have internet access

Well that should bring this thread to an end then! But while we are on the topic of names for things look up Narcissistic Entitlement the fallacy that ones uniqueness or superiority entitles one to special treatment or extra resources.

 

[scholesey]

He was simply asking you to keep a perspective on things, that is what you failed to grasp. I can see where he is coming from given some of the hyperbole on this thread. Video games come and go. I have had many old favourites that are no longer supported or won’t run on current hardware, or I have played and no longer present a challenge. It is going to happen to all of us sooner or later, ED will be gone for whatever reason. When that time comes I will find something else to do and have fond memories of ED.
As for sharing if you are having a tough time in real life I have always found the people I play games with very supportive to those who have had serious real life events and spoken about them to gaming friends.

Yeh keep it in perspective, this is a a thread about a game release and the comments are perfectly in perspective. No need for corona virus or sun burning up in 4 billion years perspectives.

 

[nrage]

The phrase ‘at all’ didn’t mean ‘never’, but not at all in odyssey at release. Now they are saying there may well be a ‘cutoff’ I.e there could be partial support of VR in odyssey.

Right. Well. I feel like saying ".. would not support VR AT ALL in Odyssey .." is to imply never, and people saying things like this is likely causing a lot of the confusion around here.

To be 100% clear. This is what we know:

• Odyssey will not have VR support at launch.
• Odyssey might or might not gain VR support at a later date.

Whether it does or does not will depend on loads of factors, many of which we can speculate about, but that's all we can do.

Frontier cannot promise to add VR, because there are too many factors which could prevent it. But, to assume that because they haven't promised it, they are effectively stating they will not deliver it is, as someone has already mentioned, a fallacy of logic.

So .. (opinion incoming!) given their track record I am inclined to believe that if it is feasible, and they can deliver a good experience, then we will see VR at some point in the future.

 

[scholesey]

Right. Well. I feel like saying ".. would not support VR AT ALL in Odyssey .." is to imply never, and people saying things like this is likely causing a lot of the confusion around here.

To be 100% clear. This is what we know:

• Odyssey will not have VR support at launch.
• Odyssey might or might not gain VR support at a later date.

Whether it does or does not will depend on loads of factors, many of which we can speculate about, but that's all we can do.

You are right and I think that sort of ambiguity deserves the concern of VR players that have so much investment in the game.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Well that should bring this thread to an end then! But while we are on the topic of names for things look up Narcissistic Entitlement the fallacy that ones uniqueness or superiority entitles one to special treatment or extra resources.

Vr game sold on VR only game store..... I think a user is not stupid to feel entitled to the ability to be allowed to purchase and have support for future content for that title without being called a narcissist.

Perhaps FD should not have sold a vr version of their game on a VR only store or if they had made it quite clear that it was a special version of the game which would not necessarily be allowed to update like versions on all other stores (esp when sold for the same price)

 

[LoyalOrange503]

Then I'd say get a better laptop.

okay, i'd like to when i got money, but i don't know and i got other priorities in life like a driver license and car, so i can't really unfortunately.

 

[CaptainPugwash]

Right. Well. I feel like saying ".. would not support VR AT ALL in Odyssey .." is to imply never, and people saying things like this is likely causing a lot of the confusion around here.

To be 100% clear. This is what we know:

• Odyssey will not have VR support at launch.
• Odyssey might or might not gain VR support at a later date.

Whether it does or does not will depend on loads of factors, many of which we can speculate about, but that's all we can do.

Frontier cannot promise to add VR, because there are too many factors which could prevent it. But, to assume that because they haven't promised it, they are effectively stating they will not deliver it is, as someone has already mentioned, a fallacy of logic.

So .. (opinion incoming!) given their track record I am inclined to believe that if it is feasible, and they can deliver a good experience, then we will see VR at some point in the future.

It’s not all or nothing support/no support: the more likely scenario as I see it is partial support at launch i.e. FPS and possibly other gameplay loops excluded.